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But as one of the comments on SDL about the two sets notes:
'Think they are completely separate projects with different mastering on each set: Alec Paolo takes charge on “Action Painting” and Shel Talmy on the more comprehensive ^Creation Theory”'
I for one will be getting both sets, just becuase they are so well presented. The Numero set is a hard cased book in its own ridged slip case which you can
see in Google images:
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I have that old Demon set as well. For me anyway, it's about the package as a whole. They can be a 'mini world' in their own right if they're done well and Numero releases always are. I guess the licensing for this music became available on both sides of the pond at once which doesn't always happen so it looks like too much in one sense.These days it looks like labels, licencers ex-members of old bands and anyone else who still can, wants to tap the shrinking (?) market for physical formated music before we all disappear into a sound cloud with implanted microchips in our ears to 'think-down' the music we want to hear!
I just received the Golden Earring Complete Studio Recordings box set, 50 years of music in 29 CDs that all sits in a very compact cube like box. It's great to have a half-century career of a band that's so succinctly packaged, imagine what the weight and space of a vinyl equivallent would be! I don't think we have too much music per se, could there ever be such a thing? I do think though the identified market for physical music formats is seen as older and more likely monied enough to pay up for lavish box sets that seem to dominate the market. By the same token this is a probably smaller market, as anyone who looks at the Super Deluxe Edition blog on a regular basis will notice how quickly vinyl box sets especially, drop in price once the fan base of the artist involved has paid the top price to get the item on release day.
It may be something of a golden age at the moment in this sense, the last hurrah before physical formats are abandoned altogether. Even Paul McCartney's reissue team,commenting on complaints from fans of the new super deluxe 'Flowers In The Dirt' set that 18 additional tracks are only avalilable as downloads rather than CD noted that McCartney sees the future as streaming and downloads and that these physical reissues only make a very small profit. Hmmmm.
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Hi Paul,
Yes, I know what you mean. I think it's a case of taking each case on its own merits. I agree with you about the Love ' Forever Changes' deluxe edition. I have that as well and like you, I still prefer just to listen to the album proper than all the studio banter and false starts, demo run throghs etc that come as extras. Though I would still like to get the hybrid SACD edition if I can ever find it in the UK for a sane price as it is likely to be the best sounding version.
I think with the two upcoming Creation sets I am certainy interested in the stereo re-mastering. The packages as a whole are better looking than the Demon CD, and so I would hope offer an overall upgrade to a relatively meagre body of work that has become so iconic. On the other hand I have Bob Dylan's 1966 live tour box set and a box of all his studio albums on CD that came out a couple of years back, oh and the 'in mono' CD box of early albums. These are all I will ever need of him. No multiple basement tapes sets or bootleg series etc for me thanks. There again, I've lost count of the number of editions of Small Faces albums I have on CD and vinyl. The Japanese SHM CD re-masters of a couple of years ago are the best ones sonically, but I still bought the recent 'Decca Years' box anyway (admittedly at half price, I wasn't going full price on something I already mostly have).
I think like many, I'm attracted to bright shiny baubles so any re-presentation of an artist I really like has an attraction, though not unreservedly. So, as to weather anyone 'needs' the Creation sets if you already have the Demon issue, might just depend on something aesthetically bannal like how averse you are to jewel cases if there's another packaging format available, or it might just be if you want a sonic upgrade. Many later CD reissues of course (I'm thinking of Bowie here especially) fans disown in favour of earlier ones, or like the Doors, issue a box set that features all their albums in both original and re-mixed versions.
All this multi edition / formatting is half the reason I don't have any more storage space, so Ill no doubt have to extensively prune the collection soon enough.
PM
Hi Paul, Yes, I will report back on the Numero Creation set in a couple of weeks.
As for Chinese box sets, that's tricky. I know the Chinese were issuing fake Led Zepplin mini LP CD box sets when those came out and they were also issuing fake Beatles in mono sets. The Zepplin set was overtly so though, e.g. the thumb wheel on led Zep 3 cover was just printed on rather than actually working wheel. So you do have to be careful.
On the other hand China is a big dumping ground for overstocks from Japanese distributors of mini LP CDs etc. They buy them up in bulk so they can re-sell cheap I have bought a lot of individual mini LP CDs from China and they are always the Japanese originals. I also just recently bought a sealed copy of the original album series 5 x cd box set of Be-Bop Deluxe albums from a Chinese seller on Discogs and it's great, it only cost £5 and I couldn't find that anywhere else below about £20+ in Europe or USA if anywhere.
It may be the box sets are perfectly legit and just cheap end of overstock copies, Ali Baba is the Amazon of China isn't it? So you'd expect that kind of deal sometimes, like the Amazon Italy offers which are always cheaper than on UK Amazon even taking into account the sinking pound against the Euro / dollar issue.
I think if I wanted the Beatles / Floyd sets enough, at the prices they are offering them for I'd take a punt on at least one of them.
PM