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slightly morbid question about Barry Ryan

So, I'm a big fan of Paul and Barry Ryan, and I like alot of the Barry Ryan solo stuff. A friend of mine from way back and I were talking about their music, and he asked me about the story that Barry Ryan had suffered severe burns to his face. I had remembered this, but I realized I did not know the details, so i was curious and did some looking, and couldn't find anything. I even looked in my old magazine and clippings collection and I didn't have anything on that story, even though I now know it was covered by the press. I read in the liner notes of the Barry Ryan Sings Paul Ryan cd, that they describe it as a "mysterious phone-based accident" that lead to the burns. Does anyone have knowlege on this? I am begining to think it might not have happened and might have been a sort of publicity "stunt" or a way or getting out of having to continually perform the UK Cabaret circuit. I've seen Barry Ryan in recent years, pretty up close even at some events, and he doesn't look like he's suffered burns. Like I said, I know this is a little morbid, and I apologize if it offends people to ask or my interest alone offends, but I am a fan, and I'm just curious. I also realized I have no idea who their biological father was, so they seem a little mysterious to me.

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As i've been digging their MGM album i also read up a little. I think Paul died a while back, and Barry seems to be a photographer with a website. I think a wikipedia article mentioned burns from something in the studio. I assumed it was a music studio, but maybe it was a photography studio? Wikipedia isn't all that reliable anyway, and that was all the detail it gave. No clue about their dad but isnt the story he booked Frank Sinatra in England, hence their presence at many gigs of the time.

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hmmm, interesting. harold Davidson was the one who booked Sinatra and was his friend, but thats their step father. Apprently their real surname is Sapherson, so that's probably their father's real name. I too always thought the burn accident was to do with his photography, and resulted from the developing chemicals, but then I read that line about the "phone-based accident" and thought, what the hell? Apparently their were photos at the time of Barry's face wrapped in bandages in magazines, and something about this just seems like it was a kind of stunt or ploy to get out of stressful touring, as Paul had a near nervous breakdown earlier from the same stress. Just an interesting dark corner of pop history.

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I've got at least one photo of BR in bandages from the time, I'll see if I can dig it out. From memory it did not look very convincing, but I may be wrong.

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Found, them. I'll email them to you. You can tell they're complete fakes. BR is swatheed in bandages round his head and hands but is stil lquite able to board a plane unasisted! Like you say, he doesn't look now like he was ever bruned, certainly not the extent these bandgaes suggest anyway! The pics and article are from a German magazine so I cannot read what happened, but I do recall it was said to be related to a photogrpahy accident. Just a celeb stunt atthe time I guess, worthy of Tonmy Secunda himself!

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Thank you so much. This may sound weird, but those photo's are hilarious. He looks like the invisible man!!! There is no way he was burned this badly and look how he does today. This had to be a publiscity stunt. My brother speaks German, I'll send him the pics and he'll translate. Thanks again

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Yes indeed, a very 60s publicity stunt that probably didn't convince nayone at the time either! Do let us know the gist of the article when translated.

Cheers
Paul

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I have posted an article from Weekend magazine about this on my website - he says he wasn't burnt so badly but he had the bandages on for protection... http://heroculte.wordpress.com/2013/06/21/barry-ryan-is-a-man-alive/

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He was in a fire around 1968

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I remember my mum hated the song Eloise and when I asked her why, she said it was because Barry Ryan got seriously burned when they were filming a video for it. Apparently there was supposed to be some stunt in a phone box and it went wrong, I've never found anything to back it up

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It is very very strongly rumoured that Paul and Barry Ryans real father was in Fact Frankie Vaughan, they do look just slightly like him even .....
Another interesting but usless fact:- Paul and Barry where from Leeds and started off as Hairdressers beforev taking up a pop career ....

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..........like Guy and David, alias The Five Day Week Straw People. Guy was later half of Toni and Guy. There were stong links between hairdressing and psychedelia - check out the explosion of bouffant perms in 1967.

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Quote: Biff Skipperty
..........like Guy and David, alias The Five Day Week Straw People. Guy was later half of Toni and Guy. There were stong links between hairdressing and psychedelia - check out the explosion of bouffant perms in 1967.


Thank you. This made my laugh. Then it struck me it may well be serious! I always thought that the burns were caused during a photoshoot. It was supposed to be a "hot-line" joke but got a little overheated. I remember a photo in the NME at the time.

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I was actually joking, but when I was writing it I started to think I may be on to something.....

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Sapherson was Marion Ryan's maiden name and at the time there was some scandal saying that the twins were illegitimate. Their surname being Sapherson, it is likely that was true. While it was largely unsaid, Marion's career subsequently took a nose-dive

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Nothing should be said unless it's the truth... truth being fact... fact.... father was Fredrick Lloyd Sapherson...gossip... spreads untruth...

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Hi, just come across this forum. My dad passed four years ago and in his belongings was a photo of a very young Paul and Barry in the Royal Oak in Middlesbrough, England, they were doing the penny push. The boys mum, Marion was born on Cannon Street in Middlesbrough and grew up living opposite my dad. I could upload for all to see if interested, but, not sure where to put them. I also have a lovely photo of Marion from our local paper the Evening gazette.

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I recall something about Barry being burned by an exploding phone while in Germany! He was flown back to the UK in his "invisible man" get up and was then sent off on a cruise to recuperate.
It was a bit like the Bob Dylan motorcycle accident...it did happen but the consequences were exaggerated as an excuse to cancel exhausting commitments without being sued.

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Hi if anyone is interested about Barry & Paul, here are 2 podcasts done for Australian radio, no mention of the burns episode though.

http://www.southernfm.com.au/general/purple-haze-archive-podcast-barry-ryan/

Cheers,
Nick

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I wonder why this has had nearly 8000 veiws
thanks for the podcasts nick

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He's music is still popular Phil, that's why I s'pose 8000 views here, & glad you checked out Barry's podcast too!

Cheers from,
Nick

And hope you can afford another shed Phil, just like Arthur Jackson!

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My mum says that it was rumoured back in the 60's, that they were Bob Hope's and vaguely remembers a story on it in the papers!

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I don't know if this helps anyone,i was also b leeds 1944 and from my house to roundhay open swimming pool I passed there house I think it was elmet ave I knew which house it was.
I was a big fan of marion ryan, I used to go out with a girl carol and meet paul/barry at the swimming pool with some more girls liz,chris some more girls/boys I cant remember them all some went roundhay high school and some to braimwood.
Meeting paul/barry happened quite often mostly after school or w/ends,they were about 8/10 of us

regards john harper

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Their father was Fred Sapherson from Leeds
He married Marion Ryan but was then estranged from the family and thy divorced. Fred is also dead.